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Again Freemasonary has nothing to do with this; I was concerned about a fellow Christian. I would do the same with anything else and hope someone would reciprocate should I need an eye opener.

Regarding the Masonic Temple etc I pray for wisdom, understanding and knowing God’s will in the manner.

Colossians 1:9-17 KJV
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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Unfortuantely Hasah i think you will find a number of Protestants who are either Freemason or have no problem with it.

I'm glad we agree too,but i don't think it's necessary that we always agree either.
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one last clarification.The Pope never changed the standing prohibition of Catholics becoming freemason.Never. If someone said the Pope said they are wrong. It's always set down by document.

Those ppl you know are Catholic and Freemason need to check into this and should understand that even though they've gotten away with it this long its is possible they could be excommunicated.

They have an obligation to make sure at least.
This is from a Freemason-not Catholic-site- and he's got it covered pretty well.BTW. One dissident Bishop does not change canon law no matter how he thinks he interprets it.The Pope and magesterium says no way..it's no way.It doesn't matter if there's 10 dissidents.

To make that clear.Silence isn't the equivalent to change.

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I know nobody else Masonic, have always avoided it like the plague.

This is the Great Seal of the United States of America. It was designed by the Freemasons and contains a mass of symbolism that the profane (non masons) are not to understand. This article will once and for all prove that the Seal is a Masonic design. Have you ever asked the question 'Why is there a Pyramid on our $1 note"? The religion of Freemasonry and some of it's mysteries have descended from ancient Egypt whose mysteries descended from ancient Babylon. The Pyramid has of old been a fascination of Freemasons. It is a pagan temple of Satan worship. Aleister Crowley, Freemason and chief Satanist of the 20th Century performed a satanic ritual in the Kings Chamber. The Masonic founded and controlled cults of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons have also adored the Great Pyramid.

First of all I will interpret the Latin words on the seal. 'Annuit Coeptis' means 'Announcing The Birth Of' and 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' means 'New World Order'. So therefore it says 'Announcing the birth of the New World Order'. The date in roman numerals is 1776, the year the modern Illuminati was formed and also the year of American independence. The Latin 'E Pluribus Unum' means 'One out of many' which is the foundation of the New World Order's plan to unify the world's governments, religions and money systems into one so the world can be controlled.

The capstone has not come down on the Pyramid. This means that the plan is not complete. Only when the New World Order is established upon all nations and the world leader is enthroned the plan will be complete. On the obverse is an eagle whose dexter wing has thirty- two feathers, the number of ordinary degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry. The sinister wing has thirty-three feathers, the additional feather corresponding to the Thirty-Third Degree of the Scottish Rite conferred for outstanding Masonic service. The tail feathers number nine, the number of degrees in the Chapter, Council, and Commandery of the York Rite of Freemasonry. Notice the stars above the eagle's head forms a hexagram the most evil of all witchcraft symbols.

Let us now go to Manly Palmer Hall, member of the Illuminati and 33rd Degree Freemason, called "the 20th century's greatest Masonic scholar and philosopher" by the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of Freemasonry's official monthly publication, the Scottish Rite Journal in the obituary section of August 1990.

The Secret Teachings of All Ages
This book is called Manly P. Hall's Magnum Opus
An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic, and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy
Manly also instructs the reader to bring a human sacrifice to Lucifer each year. This is pure Satanism.

See Do Freemasons Worship Lucifer/Satan for this quote.

Manly states:

"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United states of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and Masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American Eagle. ... the American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalized phoenix..."

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the intiated few." (Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI)

The European group he is talking about is the Illuminati. They claimed America to establish the New World Order. This is the peculiar and particular purpose known only to certain high ranking freemasons.
- The Masonic Seal of America
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In 1992, Southern Baptist James Holly requested that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) conduct an investigation of Freemasonry. The SBC agreed and in June of 1993 approved a study of Freemasonry which, though stating that some of Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity, concluded that membership in the Lodge is a matter of individual conscience.

An overwhelming number of Christian denominations have condemned Freemasonry, including

    * the Roman Catholic Church,
    * the Methodist Church of England,
    * the Wesleyan Methodist Church,
    * the Russian Orthodox Church,
    * the Synod Anglican Church of England,
    * the Assemblies of God,
    * the Church of the Nazarene,
    * the Orthodox Presbyterian Church,
    * the Reformed Presbyterian Church,
    * the Christian Reformed Church in America,
    * the Evangelical Mennonite Church, the Church of Scotland,
    * the Free Church of Scotland,
    * General Association of Regular Baptist Churches,
    * Grace Brethren,
    * Independent Fundamentalist Churches of America,
    * The Evangelical Lutheran Synod,
    * the Baptist Union of Scotland,
    * The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod,
    * the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod,
    * and the Presbyterian Church in America.

Also, many prominent Christians have denounced the Lodge, including D. L. Moody, Jonathan Blanchard, Charles Blanchard, Alva McClain, Walter Martin, and Charles Finney.

FREEMASONRY AND THE CHRISTIAN

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and being Catholic i want other Catholics to be aware that freemasonry is not only condemned but you may be excommuicated or barred from the Sacrament of Eucharist.

The goal of freemasonry,wether they admit it openly or not,is the utter destruction of the Catholic Church.How compatible is that with the Catholic Church?


I'll see if i can locate some testimony from exmasons for an inside view.

I used to have a site.Will find it again.
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 I have been a Mason for 37 years and have never seen anything about the Catholic Church in any thing that we have done, written or anything else other than the Fact that the Catolic Church did not want it's members belonging to the Masons.
  I can see that you are looking for sites that involve exmasons and using that for your basis about what Freemasonry is, or what they believe, or even what they do. So by that I can assume that every Excatholic is telling the truth about the Catholic Church. Such as the Pope and all the Cardinals want to rule the whole world and will do anything they can to do away with all Protestant Churches and Organizations that do not abide by their decisions. And I guess they were right when they said that the Catholic Church was trying to take over the US when John Kennedy was elected as President and they were circulating papers showing how the plan involved all three of the Kennedy Brothers serving two terms as President and by then they would have others groomed to take their spot and the White House would belong to the Catholics.
 Or How about the fact that Altar Boys are only appointed for the Priests sexual pleasure. And I could go on and on but I choose not to believe everything that every ExCatholic says because I know that they had a problem with the Catholic church or they probably wouldn't be ExCatholic but obviously you want to agree with what every EXMASON has to say about Free Masonry despite why he left masonry.
 As I said at the first of this Post I have been a Mason for 37 years, I have served at almost every office in the Local Masonic Lodge, I have probably attended at least 10 or 12 of the Grand Lodge of Texas's annual meetings and I have served as Chaplain of my local lodge for 6 years and I have prayed to JESUS many times in my Masonic Career and anyone who says that he CANNOT pray to JESUS in a Masonic lodge is one of two things, he is either a liar or he doesn't have the foggiest of ideas of what he is talking about. All Masonic teachings come striaght from the Old Testament. And yes there are times in our ceremonial prayers that we pray to the Supreme Architect of the Universe and to The Supreme Grand Master of the Universe and if GOD is not the Architect and Master of the Universe then I would like to know who you think it is.
 And yes we try not to discuss religion in our lodges just as we try not to discuss politics in our lodges because these two topics can and do cause more dicension and strife between people then anything else. And since we are trying to keep all our brothers working together to make our world a better place then we don't need any sort of discension or strife.
  I have seen a post elsewhere here where someone said Masonry was a religion but one of the first things that we teach the new canidate for Masonry before he takes his first degree is that Masonry is not a religion and that it is in no way meant to replace your belonging to a chosen Religion through a Local Church and that we encourage that you go to the church of your choice. Now tell me that that sounds like we are trying to do away with any church.
 The only goal that I have ever seen in Masonry is stated as follows. "It is the desire of Free Masonry to take good men and make better men out of them so that they can better serve their nation, goverment, and religion."
 Now once again does that sound like we are bashin the Catholic Church or any Religion.
 Yes you are right in that many religions have banned members from belonging to the ranks of Free Masonry but inside many of those religions you will find some men and in some cases many men who have went against what their chuirch says to be Masons. I know of one instance where the man went to a Luthern Priest/Pastor and asked him what He thought about him petitioning a Masonic Lodge and the Priest asked him if he wanted the offical stance of the Church or his personal opinion. When the man asking the question asked him if there was a difference the Priest said "Yes if you want the offical stance of the church I would have to tell you that the Church doesn't believe in Free Masonry and that you should not join because I am an Employee of that Church. But if you want my personal opinion I will show you my dues card from my Masonic Lodge." the man asking did petition the Masonic Lodge and was accepted. He then went through the three degrees of Masonry and , although I was not there when it happened, I understand that his Priest/Pastor worked in two of his degrees and the last time I saw the one he was still an active member of the Church and of the Masonic Lodge just as his Priest/Pastor was.
 My last comment on the subject will be this. I have served as a Deacon in the Baptist Church from the time the LORD called me to do it at the age of 18 until I answered the Lords call to become a Baptist Minister about nine years ago. I am now 58 years old, I have been a Christian since I accepted Christ at the age of 12 so that is 46 years. I have been a Mason for 37 years since my 21st birthday and several Deacons and one Pastor of the local Baptist Churches took a part in my becoming a Mason and neither they or myself have never seen a reason why Masonry and My Christianity, or my belonging to the Baptist Church would clash or cause a conflict. I would say that Masonry has enhanced my love of JESUS and GOD and my membership as a Baptist, and even my Ministry as a Baptist Minister in more ways then I can count.
 Now I have given you as true a witness as I can for my Masonry and My being saved by JESUS. I will leave it up to each of you to choose as to whether to believe me or not but I will not debate it any further with anyone on any of the boards as I believe that Free Masons and Free Masonry as a whole can withstand any attack from outside our organization by anyone who would condemn us and the lives we live can speak for us much better than anything that I would say.
 If anyone of you has a legitimate question about Free Masonry please feel Free to PM me and I will try my best to answer your question for you. However if you want to ask a question just for the sake of argument or debate you will not like my answers.
 Bro. Mel I apologize for taking up so much space and time on your board but I have heard too many half truths and untruths a bout Free Masonry and I just wanted to sit the record striaght. I do agree that the debates about Catholics/Protestants/ and Masons should be kept to one thread so as not to just over power the other posters on the board with a number of people posting in 8 or 10 or more threads about the same thing.
 Thank you for allowing us this one thread.

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Pastor J,
I have enjoyed the discussion about Freemasonry and Christians.
I think you make a great point on information gained from ex-Masons, and our Catholic posters should be the first to realize that point.

A while back, I was fascinated by this secret society, and dug up what information I could about it. I've taken a tour of the Mason Lodge in DC. If I remember correctly, they even have a scene of Solomon's temple on one of the floors.

Anyway, from my own knowledge of the Bible, and what I've learned from actual Masons and not ex-Masons, my conclusion is that it is not compatible with Christianity. Others may not see it this way, and I don't comdemn them for their views, any more than I would condemn Catholics for theirs.
Here are my thoughts, and it's only my own opinion based on what I've learned, or thought I've learned, over the years.

In order to be a Mason, it is required that you believe in a higher power of some sort. It doesn't really matter who or what that higher power is, you just have to have that belief. This is because of the oaths that you must take. If we don't believe in anything higher than ourselves, how would an oath mean anything to us? That inclusiveness is what gives me the problem. As Christians, we know that Jesus is the way, He is the only way, and there is no salvation outside of Him. So, having fellowship with those in other belief systems would be incompatible. Ah, but as a witnessing opportunity, wouldn't it be ok? The Lodge does not allow discussions on politics or religion for the reasons that you have given. Nothing causes more division among men than disagreements on politics or religion. But, that goes against the Great Commissison of proclaimng the Gospel to all.
If you can find ways around that, (as your last response suggests that it was just discouraged, not outright prohibited) I guess I wouldn't really have a problem with it, from what I understand of the organization. As for myself, though, I would not become a member.



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Sites that were presented on Freemasonry are neither by Catholics or EX-Catholics. That's why this really doesn't belong in Catholic Protestant debate but I'm complying to the rules.

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Hasah, Pastor Jr wasn't saying that the information was written by ex-Catholics, he was saying is was written by ex-Freemasons. His example of the Catholic/ex-Catholic issue was an illustration (might make more sense if you reread it).

Personally I have not done any study of Freemasonry so I cannot comment on their compatibility with the bible. I was very close to a mason who was a Sergeant in the Army with me. He was one of only two men that really encouraged me to read my bible (prior to me becoming a christian). When I asked him what it meant to be a mason he told me to read the book of Ruth, then come and tell him about Boaz. This man was one of the half-dozen or so people that helped lead me to Christ. So you can see why I might have a difficult time feeling any ill will towards the masons.


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