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I have half-brothers. Many times, they are referred to as simply "brothers" without the technical term because I don't have any full brothers.

Were you ever confused by my wording here? Scripture clearly states that Jesus is the "only begotten Son."
Thus, any brothers of Jesus would be half-brothers - the sons of Joseph and Mary. Sorry for any confusion in my terms here.
We do agree that Jesus was not the son of Joseph, Scripture is clear on that.


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but you also have to see from scripture that the supposed brothers of Jesus,including James,were the children of a man that was not married to Mary meaning that they were the children of a diferent Mary.
Double check.
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Jesus was fully man (and fully God), but I don't think that requires him to have Mary's DNA.

IF Jesus is fully man(and He is)then He does have Mary's DNA.We believe in the Incarnation and that's exactly what the Incarnation is.Besides,i wouldn't go down that slippery slope of saying Jesus is human then start denying things that are human.
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When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us?...



Re read. They ask,isn't this THE carptener's son.
If there were siblings they would have said "isn't this A capenter's son?"

That aside check out the post re Jesus siblings and follow the geneology.It's all in scripture.There is more than one Mary and they are not all married to Joseph.
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but you also have to see from scripture that the supposed brothers of Jesus,including James,were the children of a man that was not married to Mary meaning that they were the children of a diferent Mary.

Nope, I don't see it. But I'm going to go sit back down on the sidelines and eat popcorn.
The Catholics will remain Catholics and the Protestants will remain Protestants, no one's going to change their mind. All we can do in here is try to understand where the other point of view comes from. It doesn't mean we're going to agree, but we can disagree, agreeably. Or something like that....
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The Catholics will remain Catholics and the Protestants will remain Protestants,

not if God has his way.This disunity was never intended.

However,if you go back through scripture(read the link i sent too and follow it)and take notes you WILL see it.
There's no reason to reject a teaching just because it's Catholic or to discount the possibility for the same reason.Afterall it's a Christian body that has been around for some 2,000 yrs.


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IF Jesus is fully man(and He is)then He does have Mary's DNA.


This absolutely baffles me. You are stating emphatically that the only woman who was impregnated by the spirit of God gave birth to God's son who was both fully man and fully God, and the he MUST have DNA.
Why do insist on limiting God's abilities to our feeble knowledge of science?
This doesn't sound like you at all.

 

Re read. They ask,isn't this THE carptener's son.
If there were siblings they would have said "isn't this A capenter's son?"


I fail to see how this has any relevance to Jesus' siblings.

I think I need to go back to the sidelines as well. Seems that I can usually follow these discussions, and often can see reason for both sides of an arguement but this one has me completely frustrated.


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Why do insist on limiting God's abilities to our feeble knowledge of science?
This doesn't sound like you at all.

because i truly believe in the Incarnation of Jesus.That's not limiting God's abilities at all.

Scripture says;
Jesus was like us in ALL ways,except sin.How does that square with;Jesus may not have had DNA?
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The Catholic Church dreamed up the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary because they knew some 1600 yr later they would get ppl all upset and reject them? I don't think so.
Doctrine/Dogma didn't just drop out of the sky.

Maybe some of it did just drop out of the sky. How do you interpret this verse?

Matthew 1:25 KJV
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


"till she had brought forth her firstborn son"
Then what? Well, I would imagine that Mary and Joseph lived like any other married couple of the time, and had more children.
This verse strongly suggests that Joseph "knew" her after Jesus was born.

What verses suggest she remained a virgin?



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"till she had brought forth her firstborn son"

i know a lot of ppl who have firstborns.
This doesn't mean they necessarily have more children.

All i'm saying is;check the geneology.There was more than one Mary and the 'brothers' in question had a different father than Joseph.Meaning they were children of another Mary.

You don't have to take my word for it...just check.

From the day God put enmity between Satan and Mary she could not have had a taint of sin.
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Ah, you're looking at the wrong keyword. You're right, "firstborn" doesn't necessarily mean there were more, but it definately suggests it.
But this:
"And knew her not till..."
Till. Until. Means Joseph DID know her after the birth of her firstborn. Which means she was no longer a virgin.

What verses suggest she remained a virgin?



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