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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
ok take a look at this:
Jesus Siblings
First i am not sure why Mary's perpetual virginity is impossible? (Luther defended it by the way). If these are not His siblings and the early Church accepted this as Tradition then it's altogether very possible.Since this Tradition was not rejected until many many centuries later.
What about these verses?
"Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death" (2 Sam. 6:23)
Or the burial of Moses?
The book of Deuteronomy says that no one knew the location of his grave "until this present day" (Deut. 34:6)
Well, I would imagine that Mary and Joseph lived like any other married couple of the time,
To some it would appear that way but we know that they were not like any other married couple.And Jesus-although He may have appeared like any others son-we know better about too.
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12/18/2006, 7:19 pm
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
First i am not sure why Mary's perpetual virginity is impossible?
Where, in the Bible is there anything written that even suggests that she was?
What about these verses?
What about them? Your verses deal with the term "until death" while mine was "until birth" Do you see the difference there? "Til death" is pretty final. Not "knowing" someone unitl after the birth of their firstborn is a bit different that not "knowing" someone til they died.
Jesus is God, Mary and Joseph were completely human - and fallible, just like us.
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12/19/2006, 7:49 am
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Jesus is God, Mary and Joseph were completely human - and fallible, just like us.
Jesus is God and therefore chose His mother to be concieved immaculate. Genesis says that God put enmity between her and Satan.That means,not one taint of sin. Mary and Joseph-human.Definitely.We agree.Jesus,true God and true man-we agree.
Mary rec'd the fruits of her Sons redemption before He was crucified and we rec'd them before we sinned.Catholic beleif is based upon scripture,tradition and the authority Jesus gave His Church.
So i know this to be true.God put enmity between her and Satan,the angel referred to her as full of grace and the book of Rev refers to her as the woman clothed with the sun.
The point was about the use of the word UNTIL and the other point that no one responded to is that the supposed siblings of Jesus were children of a different Mary who was NOT married to Joseph.
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Hmm, I was listening to the Bible on CD today, and it brought this post to mind.
Matt 12:46-47
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."
How do you explain this verse?
Mary rec'd the fruits of her Sons redemption before He was crucified and we rec'd them before we sinned.
No, this is not right at all. Do you have a Scripture reference for this? We're all sinful at birth, including Mary. That's what the Bible teaches. I can quote much Scripture that says so, if you'd like.
Now, I did a search for "full of grace" and you know what I found?
Only once is there an exact match in the KJV for all three words. And they're referring to Jesus, not Mary. See John 1:14.
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Hey Portia! 
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Matthew 1:25 (NIV) "But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he (Joseph) gave him the name Jesus."
In other words, they had a healthy and normal marriage after Jesus was born. I find no where in Genesis that Mary is mentioned or reven referred to. God was speaking to Eve regarding the serpent.
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Well, hello Jinzle!  to UIC! 
I've seen you around at different boards, and I've often wondered, how do you come up with that log in name? And what's the meaning of your location?
Anyway, I think I agree with you here, but I'm not sure what you're referring to in Genesis?
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
I've seen you around too. LOL
I'm a Lost fan and Jin is one of the characters on the show. Add the fact I'm a smart arse and you have my name. In Dante, the ninth level of hell is reserved for traitors. Again a Lost thing where no one is what they seem to be.
I was referring to P4P's claim that in Genesis, regarding Mary. I just seen where you ad used the same quote in Matthew. Sorry I didn't see it before.
BTW everyone calls me jinzy.
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Ah, Lost. I caught part of an episode of that once. It looked like it would be interesting if I had started watching it from the beginning. As it was, I was "lost." Still, it looked pretty good.
Glad to have you here, Jinzy! 
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Re: Ok i have some questions re siblings
Ok.Then God did not put enmity between Satan and Mary.
I give up.
And Jesus was concieved with someone in sin.
If He was truly incarnated(and He was)then God was joined with sin.Again i give up.
And God had actual biological brothers/sisters.I give up.
Still if you re read scripture the children that are supposedly Mary's are the children of ANOTHER Mary who is NOT married to Joseph.
Re read Mel.You will find it.
God bless,
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