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No way! Scripture is clear, Jesus had half brothers - sons of Mary and Joseph.



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Now we have four 'brothers', JAMES, JO'SES, SIMON, and JUDE to account for
as written in Mk 6:3...
 Mk 15:40, "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom were Mary
           Magdalene, and Mary the mother of JAMES the less, and of JO'SES,
           and Salome." These people were at the crucifixion.
 Jn 19:25, "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother (Mary) and His
           mothers sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene."
 Mt 10:2-3, "...'JAMES' the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname
           was Thaddeus." Alphaeus is an alternate translation of
           Cleophas (Clophas) and so he is the same person.
 Acts 1:13, "...JAMES, the son of Alphaeus, and SIMON Zelo'tes, and
           JUDE the brother of JAMES."

From these four passages, we see we have another 'Mary', who was the wife of
Cleophas (Alphaeus), and the mother of three of Jesus's 'brethren', JAMES
(the less), and JO'SES, and JUDE. This clearly shows that Mary, the mother
of Jesus, was not the mother of JAMES, JO'SES, and JUDE of Mk 6:3. To keep
Mk 6:3 in harmony, since three are not children of Mary, the mother of Jesus,
then SIMON is not either. SIMON is the Canaanite Mk 3:18, also called the
'Zealot' (Zelo'tes), Mt 10:4, Lk 6:15, Acts 1:13. Jude, who authored the Epistle
of Jude, says he is the brother of James in Jude 1:1. Jude was also called
'Thaddeus' in Mt 10:3, and in Mk 3:18. This was to distinguish him from Judas
Iscariot. Lk 6:16 further distinguishes the two by saying, "And Judas (Jude)
the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor."
from Genelogy of the Brethern by Bob Stanley
you can contact Mr Stanley here:
[email protected]

You can re read and construct the genelogy for yourself.
God Bless,
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Mark 3:31-32
Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you."

John 7:2-4
But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world."

Matthew 13:54-56
Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"




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still Mel if you follow the geneology it shows that Jesus did not have siblings.

Further the crowd says;is this not THE son.Now if there were siblings they would have said is this not A son?
Ok.Let's consider this one:Jesus is lost.Mary and Joseph go to search for Him.Where are the siblings?

Jesus crucifixion.Where are the siblings?Mary would have been given over to one of them.Why the disicple John?


The Siblings of Jesus
The Church would have no reason to defend this unless it were true.Think about that.For what purpose?The Reformation didn't take place until the 16th century and several of those actually also defended this belief.So what would be the purpose unless it were true? To have a debate with denominations that didn't even exsist yet?

The perpetual virginity of Mary, a doctrine of Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Christianity, affirms Mary's "real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made Man."[1] Thus according to this church dogma, Mary was ever-Virgin (Greek ἀειπάρθενος) for the remainder of her life, making Jesus her only biological son, whose conception and birth are held to be miraculous.
From Wikipedia
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We could go round and round on this, but we'll never agree.

And the reason? The Roman Catholic doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity. I don't buy it, I find nothing Biblical to suggest such a thing.

I've searched and read enough Catholic doctrine and beliefs to last me for quite a while. I have absolutely no desire to dig into this stuff again.

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t, I find nothing Biblical to suggest such a thing.

and biblically we see that those 'brothers and sisters' were children of another mother and father.

Actually mel i don't thnk you've even scratched the surface of digging into anything.

From the apostolic age till the 16th century there is one huge gab.The bible didn't come with a table of contents.

For that matter the perpetual virginity of Mary isn't the ONLY doctrine the Church defended.The canon of scripture and the inpsired books were discerned by the Church LOOOONG before the 16th century.She defended the Trinity.the true nature of Christ and put those to rest at the Councils.If you think everyone was on board you missed the great heresies she confronted.
And the Early Church Fathers definitely say Catholic...haven't touched those yet either.
Sometimes ppl would rather not dig because they're afraid of what they will actually find.
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Sometimes ppl would rather not dig because they're afraid of what they will actually find.

... and sometimes not.
Everything I have to say regarding the Catholic religion has already been said, and can be found within this forum.

Call it fear, call it boredom, call it whatever you want. I just don't care, and I'm not interested in discussing any more Catholic doctrine and beliefs at this time.
I've got nothing new to add.
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then it's probably time to close up this forum.
It's of no use to anyone.I wish you well here though Mel.
God Bless and good bye,
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ps...i don't find it anymore impossible that Mary remained a virgin than the virgin birth of the Incarnate God.


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