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I truly believe that the Reformation (or rebellion) was needed,

I cannot remain true to my beliefs and what I know of Scripture and say that I think it's ok. I'm sorry if it offends you, but I've got to be truthful and tell you what I believe.



I have to be completely truthful, too. I firmly believe with all my heart that the devil was behind the so called Reformation. What happened is completely against Scripture. Jesus prayed that His disciples would be one. The Early Church was one, united in doctrines. The so called reformation is the cause of 33,000 Protestant denominations.

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(Exodus 20:5 KJVR) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

(Exodus 34:14 KJVR) For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

(Deuteronomy 4:24 KJVR) For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

(Deuteronomy 5:9 KJVR) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

(Deuteronomy 6:15 KJVR) (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

(Joshua 24:19 KJVR) And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is a holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

(Ezekiel 39:25 KJVR) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

(Nahum 1:2 KJVR) God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

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I've read those Scriptures before. Yes, I understand that God does not want us to worship anyone but Him and we certainly do not, no matter what misinformed antiCatholics think. However, I still do not believe that the good Lord is the jealous,petty, tryrant of fundamentalism.

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Mel
the bottom line is that you're saying the Church approves of deceptions of Satan.I'm with Portia.The pride of men such as Luther has led to division,disunity and ppl believing whatever tickles their ears.

FCFC was a board where anti Catholics attacked the Church.We went there to defend His Bride.It's BRIDE by the way,not harem.

Eventually.of course,they banned us.As soon as we left the meltdown began.Why? because if non Catholics didn't have Catholics to dispute with they would have to face the disputes they have.This business about Unity in Christ. It's superficial.Once you get past,we believe in Christ as our Redeemer(which Catholics firmly beleive to)
it's all over the map.
People grocery shop until they get a church they feel comfy with.A lot of these churches split because they end up in disagreement.It began with Luther,Calvin,Zwingli and hasn't stopped since.Because of this the disease of moral relativism has crept into our culture.Religion has come down to it's the Bible and me and how i see it.
The reason non Catholics reject the Catholic Church is because of authority.It's fine as long as I get to do it my way.Pride is of Satan and that's exactly how it began.My way or the highway.
I'll make up the doctrines that suits me,throw out these inspired books of scripture and interpret as i see fit.Half the time ppl don't even respect thier own pastors and the other half of the time either the pastor starts his own church again or ppl leave or even change the doctrine by vote.

Truth:you are never going to have unity in Christ.Never...period.
Why? because the only place it exsists is in His Church.
 Sorry Mel.i can take a lot but when someone says our Church approves of a message of Satan without even investigating the facts-that's a bit much don't you think?
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I'll leave it at this, remember the flood in Noah's time, all living creatures were wiped away except Noah, his family and the animals he brought into the ark. This is an example of the wrath of God. When scripture reveals God saying He's a jealous God, should we not take Him seriously? God so loved the world that He sent His only Son. We also know God hated Esau, God hates sin. Does that mean He's not a loving God? No, it means He is holy, He is just, He hates what's not godly. If He said He's a jealous God, I'm not going to question.
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I never said God is not a jealous God. He forbids idolatry. However, God Himself told us to honor our own mothers and fathers. He is not such a petty, jealous tyrant as fundamentalists portray Him that He can't bear that we honor His mother.

If you're going to leave it alone, I'll leave it at this: You have your own private interpretation of Scripture and I have the interpretation of Christ's Holy Catholic Church.

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Mary was the mother of Jesus, gave birth to His fleshly body but God was here in the beginning and will be in the end. He has no mother, He is God.

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Hasah,

What do you mean that Mary gave birth to "his fleshly body"? Isn't the second person of the Trinity, Jesus, fully God and fully man?

How can you separate the two?

Wasn't he fully God as well as fully human when he was born of the Virgin Mary.

Christ's conception by the Holy Spirit and birth of the Blessed Virgin Mary was not His beginning, just His entry into this world.

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Mary was the mother of Jesus, gave birth to His fleshly body but God was here in the beginning and will be in the end. He has no mother, He is God.

Mary was the mother of Jesus.Jesus is God.Truly human/truly divine. God is eternal.The alpha,the omega. Mary gave birth to the Incarnation.The moment she gave her fiat He was conceived. She is not the mother of God because she created God.He created her.She has this title because it keeps clear that Jesus is both truly human/truly divine.The heretics tried to deny it.
They claimed that Mary only gave birth to the human Jesus and denied His divinity. Other heretics claimed Jesus had 2 natures.The Church said no.Jesus is truly human and truly divine,not seperate and for that reason gave her the title Mother of God. Not because she created God but to defend the true nature of Jesus.


We honor His mother and accept her as our Mother.
IF she's good enough for Jesus,she's good enough for me.
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I thought you were leaving it at that?

Yes, Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is the Word Incarnate. The Word became Flesh.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.



Mary is the mother of God the Son, One divine person with two natures: one human and one divine.

Mary did not give birth to a nature.

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